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Teaching leadership is hard. Join professors Dan Jenkins and Lauren Bullock, leadership educators with 30+ yrs experience in curricular and co-curricular leadership programs in higher education, as they capture in dialogue questions from their peers and share knowledge and expertise on facilitating leadership learning. Passionate about leadership education? Want to expand your resource toolbox with practical strategies for teaching, learning, and program design? This is the podcast for you!
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Wednesday Dec 22, 2021
Wednesday Dec 22, 2021
In this episode, we sit down with Drs. Rich Whitney and Jasmine Collins to discuss the process of proposing and editing the NDSL special issue on racial equity in leadership education. Both share how the issue impacted their teaching; all share resources used to teach leadership education to students from various backgrounds in the classroom and co-curricular programs. Check out Issue 171 of New Directions for Student Leadership, "Advancing Racial Equity in Leadership Education: Centering Marginalized Institutional Contexts" here.

Wednesday Dec 15, 2021
Wednesday Dec 15, 2021
Are you curious about the history and purpose of using instruments and assessments in leadership development courses and training? In this episode, Drs. Marcy Levy Shankman and Ralph A. Gigliotti share ideas on incorporating best practices from this special issue into teaching courses or planning training activities. The co-editors used a cross-sector lens to expand the application of the instruments and assessments to various industries. Some of the resources in this episode include:
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Wednesday Dec 08, 2021
Season 5 Wrap-Up
Wednesday Dec 08, 2021
Wednesday Dec 08, 2021
In the final episode of season 5, Dan and Lauren share takeaways from the international season. From hearing experiences that leadership educators from leadership Africa, Europe, Asia, and Australia, had to share, to trading classroom activity ideas, the duo reminisces about all they learned from Season 5 guests about leadership education, training, and development.

Wednesday Dec 01, 2021
International Student Affairs Leader Damian Medina
Wednesday Dec 01, 2021
Wednesday Dec 01, 2021
In this episode, Damian Medina, Vice Provost for Student Affairs at the University of Southern Maine, joins Dan and Lauren to discuss international student affairs. Damian, who has traveled to over 60 countries and territories, explains how a volunteer role as an undergraduate launched career-building student engagement departments and programs outside of the United States. While based in Maine now, Damian led student affairs departments in China, Qatar, and Switzerland.

Wednesday Nov 17, 2021
Finding Your Cause with Dr. Vincent Ogutu
Wednesday Nov 17, 2021
Wednesday Nov 17, 2021
In this episode, Dan and Lauren converse with Dr. Vincent Ogutu, Vice-Chancellor Designate at Strathmore University in Nairobi, Kenya. Vincent shares how his journey to teaching and researching workplace behavior started with a desire to help create future leaders. His purpose is to encourage young people to find a cause with their name on it. He shares stories of inspiring students to question and apply their learning and encouraging currently incarcerated adults to find a cause and a calling.

Wednesday Nov 10, 2021
Teaching and Studying Leadership and Followership in Pakistan
Wednesday Nov 10, 2021
Wednesday Nov 10, 2021
In this episode, Wajeeha Ghias joins Dan and Lauren to discuss leadership education in Pakistan. She highlights her path to studying and teaching leadership and followership in Islamabad, including how her husband encouraged her to pursue leadership studies in her early 30s. We hear about Richard Daft's book The Leadership Experience and an assignment that led her to Ira Chaleff's resources and sparked her passion for followership. Ghias is a lecturer in Leadership and Management at the National Defense University and a Management Science doctoral student at NUML-University.
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Wednesday Nov 03, 2021
Using UNESCO Sites for International Youth Leadership Programs
Wednesday Nov 03, 2021
Wednesday Nov 03, 2021
In this episode, Drs. Kelly Cerialo and Eric Holmlund discuss their innovative student-focused curriculum based on flexible experiential learning models that allow students to develop leadership skills, connect and contribute to the local community, question their own environmental, social, and economic impacts as a traveler, and self-reflect on their experience.
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Wednesday Oct 27, 2021
How Curiosity Led to a Nutrition Leadership Program in Iran
Wednesday Oct 27, 2021
Wednesday Oct 27, 2021
In this episode, Dr. Azadeh Davari shares her education and experience with leadership programs and research in various countries. An executive leadership coach with a focus on using reflection to raise consciousness, Dr. Davari shares how her curiosity led to the creation of a nutrition leadership program in Iran. Currently, she's based in San Diego, but teaches and consults all over the world.
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Wednesday Oct 20, 2021
The Growth of Leadership Education in Japan
Wednesday Oct 20, 2021
Wednesday Oct 20, 2021
In this episode, Dr. Mikinari Higano shares the spread of leadership education in Japan. After being hired as an Economics professor, he was asked to create a leadership education course for undergraduate students at Rikkyo University. Since then he's worked to grow leadership education in Japan, developing courses, conferences, and workshops to help the community grow from a military-only discipline to one that includes transformational leadership practices.

Wednesday Oct 13, 2021
Using Leadership Education to Foster Sustainable Global Businesses in Ireland
Wednesday Oct 13, 2021
Wednesday Oct 13, 2021
In this episode, Niall O'Donnellan brings his education and experience in leading teams and designing leadership education programs in Ireland. During the conversation, he explains his early career experiences working for the Irish government to create sustainable international businesses to his more recent work designing leadership programs for business development. Niall shares his use of universal design for learning and building partnerships with colleges and universities in the U.S., Spain, and other countries.
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Wednesday Oct 06, 2021
Designing a Master of Indigenous Business Leadership Program
Wednesday Oct 06, 2021
Wednesday Oct 06, 2021
In this episode, Dan and Lauren speak with Dr. Nathan Eva and Katrina Johnson about designing a Master’s of Indigenous Business Leadership program. The joint effort, supported by the William Cooper Institute and the Monash Business School in Australia, is a transformational leadership program designed to strengthen the Indigenous workforce in Australia. The quartet discusses the opportunities and challenges of creating a program that honors Indigenous practices and reflects leadership literature worldwide.
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Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
International Leadership During Turbulent Times
Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
In this episode, Dr. Cynthia Cherrey discusses leading an international organization during a pandemic. She shares her path to the ILA President and CEO role, and how it has changed during the pandemic. Dr. Cherrey previews the upcoming ILA Global Conference and future considerations for international leadership education.
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Wednesday Sep 22, 2021
Welcome to Season Five!
Wednesday Sep 22, 2021
Wednesday Sep 22, 2021

Monday Aug 23, 2021
Monday Aug 23, 2021
In this episode, Dan and Lauren sit down with Dr. Sonja Ardoin to discuss leadership and social class. Dr. Ardoin, who co-edited the most recent edition of the New Directions for Student Leadership with Dr. Kathy Guthrie, shares findings on leadership learning through the lens of social class.

Thursday Aug 05, 2021
Faculty and Student Affairs Partnerships with Susan Luchey and Dr. Joshua O'Connor
Thursday Aug 05, 2021
Thursday Aug 05, 2021
In this episode, Dan and Lauren discuss working with faculty and student affairs professionals to enhance the leadership development experience with guests, Dr. Joshua O'Connor and Susan Luchey. All share past projects and experiences of connecting the in-classroom pedagogy with the out-of-classroom programming.
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Tuesday Jul 13, 2021
Using Your Leadership Educator Tools at Home and at Work with Chelsea Winer
Tuesday Jul 13, 2021
Tuesday Jul 13, 2021
In this episode, Dan and Lauren speak with Chelsea Winer about her work coaching students on campus and couples preparing to get married. All three share stories about using leadership resources with partners or friends including using the CliftonStrengths assessment to plan a wedding.

Monday Jun 28, 2021
Monday Jun 28, 2021
In this episode, Dan and Lauren speak with Dr. Keith Herndon and Charlotte Norsworthy from the University of Georgia about podcasting, leadership, and journalism. All agree on the value of podcasting and share ideas for infusing it into pedagogy. Specifically, Keith and Charlotte share how podcasting makes teaching more accessible to all learners. Some of the resources we chatted about in this podcast include:
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Monday May 24, 2021
Season 4 Wrap-Up with Dr. Kathy Guthrie
Monday May 24, 2021
Monday May 24, 2021
In this episode, Dan and Lauren reflect with Dr. Kathy Guthrie on teaching graduate leadership education courses during the Spring 2021 semester. All share experiences from teaching and learning in graduate school, feedback from student participants, changes to make moving forward, and how their work prepares future leaders in and out of higher education. Note: This is a follow-up from an earlier episode, Teaching Leadership Graduate Courses from February 2021. Some of the resources discussed in this episode include:
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Monday May 17, 2021
Coaching Leadership Educators on Racial Justice Leadership
Monday May 17, 2021
Monday May 17, 2021
Drs. Lindsay Lyons & Cherie Bridges Patrick join Dan and Lauren to discuss researching and developing coaching programs on racial justice leadership. Lindsay and Cherie explain how their partnership, which grew from their doctoral work, focuses on helping their peers have generative race-related conversations and advance social change.

Monday May 10, 2021
"Bringing More Voices Forward" with Dr. Kristen Renn
Monday May 10, 2021
Monday May 10, 2021
What should leadership educators know about identity and current college students? In this episode, Dr. Kristen Renn joins Dan and Lauren to discuss the critical moment that sparked her professional purpose to bring more voices forward in the higher education conversation. Renn, a professor and associate dean of undergraduate studies for student success research at Michigan State University and author of the recently published second edition of College Students in the United States: Characteristics, Experiences, and Outcomes, provides valuable insight into the complexity of identity and student leaders.