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Teaching leadership is hard. Join professors Dan Jenkins and Lauren Bullock, leadership educators with 30+ yrs experience in curricular and co-curricular leadership programs in higher education, as they capture in dialogue questions from their peers and share knowledge and expertise on facilitating leadership learning. Passionate about leadership education? Want to expand your resource toolbox with practical strategies for teaching, learning, and program design? This is the podcast for you!
Episodes

Tuesday Nov 07, 2023
Reflecting with ILA Legacy Award Winner, Dr. Bruce Avolio
Tuesday Nov 07, 2023
Tuesday Nov 07, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren listen as Dr. Bruce Avolio shares his experience as one of this year's ILA Lifetime Achievement Award Winners. Avolio is the Mark Pigott Chair in Business Strategic Leadership within the Foster School of Business at the University of Washington. In the Foster School, he also serves as the Executive Director for the Center for Leadership & Strategic Thinking. He is recognized as being among the top 70 most highly cited researchers in the United States in Economics and Business and among the top 3,000 across all sciences around the globe (Thompson Reuters).
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Tuesday Oct 31, 2023
International Leadership Association Global Conference - Vancouver Recap
Tuesday Oct 31, 2023
Tuesday Oct 31, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren recap their attendance at the ILA 25th Global Leadership Conference in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, from October 12-15, 2023. Both discuss meeting new people, attending sessions on research, AI and generativity, and future conversations for the podcast.
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Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
Ethical Uses of ChatGPT in Leadership Classes and Programs
Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren hear from Dr. Joey Crawford, Senior Lecturer in Management at the University of Tasmania and Editor of the Journal of University Teaching and Learning Practice. Joey explains the findings from his recent co-authored piece titled, “Leadership Is Needed for Ethical CHATGPT: Character, Assessment, and Learning Using Artificial Intelligence (AI) Learning Using Artificial Intelligence (AI).”
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Tuesday Oct 17, 2023
Tuesday Oct 17, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren speak with Dr. Libby Bischoff, a Professor of History, the recently adorned University Historian, and the Executive Director of the Osher Map Library and Smith Center for Cartographic Education at the University of Southern Maine. Dr. Bischoff focuses on innovative teaching approaches following the pandemic era. Additionally, she shares how she incorporated integrating generative writing, AI, and imaging tools into her courses, and that reflection is increasing in value in classrooms.

Friday Oct 06, 2023
Friday Oct 06, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren talk with Dr. Ralph Gigliotti, Assistant Vice President for Organizational Leadership in the Office of the Executive Vice President for Academic Affairs at Rutgers University. Ralph, a leading researcher in crisis leadership in higher education, updates us on where we are now and how we can use leadership theories and frameworks for making decisions for your classes and programs.
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Tuesday Oct 03, 2023
Season 9 Intro: Generative Learning for Leadership Educators
Tuesday Oct 03, 2023
Tuesday Oct 03, 2023
In the first episode of the ninth season, Dan and Lauren explain this season's theme: "Generative Learning for Leadership Education". With all of the changes happening in higher education and society, the pair will explore how leadership educators focus on cultivating generative thinking and behaviors in leaders. The hosts, alongside other leadership educators and scholars, will discuss topics such as integrating artificial intelligence into leadership teaching, navigating complex ethical challenges, understanding new social phenomena, teaching during disruptions and adaptive challenges, and other emerging trends and issues affecting leaders in this space. This season's broad question is - how are leadership educators processing what's happening as they are trying to develop curriculum, teach, evaluate leadership learning, and build community?

Tuesday Sep 19, 2023
NDSL #178 - Deepening Leadership Identity Development with Dr. Julie Owen
Tuesday Sep 19, 2023
Tuesday Sep 19, 2023
In this final installment before Season 9 kicks off, Dan and Lauren are joined by Dr. Julie E. Owen, an Associate Professor of Leadership Studies in the School of Integrative Studies at George Mason University. The conversation sheds light on Julie's leadership in the reevaluation of the Leadership Identity Development (LID) model, tracing back to her contributions as a member of the team overseen by Dr. Susan Komives. Julie discusses the subsequent research stemming from the initial efforts and outlines her aspirations for future investigations pertaining to the model.
You can check out "Deepening Leadership Identity Development" in Volume 2023, Issue 178, of New Directions for Student Leadership.
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Tuesday Jul 11, 2023
Tuesday Jul 11, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren hear from Dr. Gail Latta, Professor and Inaugural Program Director of the Leadership Studies Doctoral Program in the College of Professional Sciences at Xavier University. She shares her experience working on the priority area of ethical leadership for the National Leadership Education Research Agenda. The authors in this Priority argue for increased scholarship and new methodologies and the inclusion of followership in future research and practice.
Latta is the lead author for Priority #8 of the National Leadership Education Research Agenda.
This episode is part of a series of conversations with the lead authors of the nine priorities of the National Leadership Education Research Agenda (NLERA) 2020-2025, published in Volume 14, issue 3, of the Journal of Leadership Studies.
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Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren are joined by Dr. Thomas Yannuzzi and Dr. Deborah Smith. This chapter serves as a call to action for reimagining the field and bringing about meaningful advancements in leadership education. Both discuss how the writing group collaborated for this priority, and how it informs future research.
Yannuzzi is the lead author and Smith is part of the writing team for Priority #9 of the National Leadership Education Research Agenda.
This episode is part of a series of conversations with the lead authors of the nine priorities of the National Leadership Education Research Agenda (NLERA) 2020-2025, published in Volume 14, issue 3, of the Journal of Leadership Studies.

Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
In this episode, Dr. Douglas Lindsay, the Editor-In-Chief of the Journal of Character and Leader Development and a professor and consultant, join Dan and Lauren to discuss the planning and writing of the interdisciplinary nature of leadership education.
Diverse knowledge, methodologies, and growth strategies beyond specific fields enrich leadership. To address the challenge, Lindsay and priority co-author, Dr. Katherine Friesen, identified the importance of understanding the current state of leadership education, including educator preparation, comprehension of encountered issues, and implementing a systematic approach using new methodologies, evidence, and diverse viewpoints that recognize the interdisciplinary approaches available for advancing the field.
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Tuesday Jun 20, 2023
Tuesday Jun 20, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren hear from Dr. Graziella McCarron, Assistant Professor of Leadership Studies in the School of Integrative Studies at George Mason University, and Dr. Grant Jackson, Assistant Professor of Educational Psychology, Leadership, & Counseling at Texas Tech University.
Graziella and Grant walk us through their group writing experience for Priority No. 6 of the NLERA. The pair share parts of the conversations around centering dialogic and digital approaches in leadership education scholarship. The priority focuses on how technology is increasingly necessary when teaching leadership and supports the need for new methodologies and approaches to collecting data in the subject area.

Tuesday Jun 13, 2023
Tuesday Jun 13, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren hear from Rian Satterwhite, Director for Service Learning and Leadership at UNLV, and Teaching Faculty at Claremont Lincoln University and Dr. Carolyn Cunningham, Chair and Professor of Communication and Leadership at Gonzaga University. Rian and Carolyn explain the writing team’s process and vision for proposing and crafting the priority that focuses on complex problem-solving. The group proposed addressing the challenges around the increased complexity of solving problems and how new methods in advocacy and activism, big data and visualization, and new materialism are needed. The priority poses a path forward for centering sustainability and developing a mindset based on cognitive, affective, and behavioral outcomes.
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Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren are joined by Dr. Darren Pierre, Lecturer in the Office of Global Engineering Leadership in the A. James Clark School of Engineering at the University of Maryland and Dr. Kerry Priest, Professor in the Staley School of Leadership and Program Director for Leadership Communication at Kansas State University. The group identified research areas centered on developing leadership educators. They built on prior work done on the professional practice of leadership education.
The article presents thought-provoking questions and ideas for innovative research methods. The authors envision a future where leadership facilitators are well-trained and knowledgeable in current teaching practices and research. Pierre is the lead author and Priest was part of the writing team for Priority #4 of the National Leadership Education Research Agenda.
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Tuesday May 30, 2023
Tuesday May 30, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren hear from Dr. Barry Boyd, Associate Professor of Agricultural Leadership Education and Communication at Texas A&M University, and Dr. Amy Forbes, Director of Strategic Custom Live Programs at Cornell University. They led the writing team for Priority #3 of the National Leadership Education Research Agenda: "Understanding the Leadership Learner".
During the conversation, Barry and Forbes explain how the priority filled a gap in the literature calling for an increase in socially just and critically oriented perspectives in leadership education. He highlighted how working together, respectfully and professionally, as a writing team produced a clear and detailed call for future research. The priority calls for rigorous and uplifting research and for researchers to engage in either evolution or revolution.
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Tuesday May 23, 2023
Tuesday May 23, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren speak with Dr. V. Chunoo, outgoing Assistant Professor of Organizational and Community Leadership at the University of Illinois and Associate Editor of New Directions for Student Leadership.
During the conversation, Chunoo explains how the priority filled a gap in the literature calling for an increase in socially just and critically oriented perspectives in leadership education. He highlighted how working together, respectfully and professionally, as a writing team produced a clear and detailed call for future research. The priority calls for rigorous and uplifting research and for researchers to engage in either evolution or revolution.
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Tuesday May 16, 2023
Tuesday May 16, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren speak with Dr. Cameron Beatty, Assistant Professor and Program Coordinator in the Higher Education program and the Associate Director of the Leadership Learning Research Center at Florida State University.
During the conversation, Dr. Beatty shares how the group came together to support the call for leadership education to emphasize inclusion, identity, social justice, and equity. The co-authors of Priority #1 of the National Leadership Education Research Agenda (NLERA) state, "we must move beyond theorizing about individual student differences and do more to interrogate the systems and structures involved in the socialization of leadership education.” Additionally, all examine existing research and practice related to the priority.
Beatty is the lead author and part of the writing team for Priority Number 1, titled “A Call for Centering Social Identities: Priority 1 of the NLERA 2020-25.”
This episode is part of a series of conversations with the lead authors of the nine priorities of the (NLERA) 2020-2025, published in Volume 14, issue 3, of the Journal of Leadership Studies.

Tuesday May 09, 2023
Revisiting the NLERA in 2023
Tuesday May 09, 2023
Tuesday May 09, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren revisit the National Leadership Education Research Agenda 2020-2025 with Drs. Kristan Cilente Skendall and Tony Andenoro. They provide an update on its progress midway through the projected target date of 2025. Kristan and Tony highlight the progress of the research teams ahead of individual episodes featuring authors from each of the nine priorities.

Tuesday May 02, 2023
Mini-Season Intro Episode: National Leadership Education Research Agenda
Tuesday May 02, 2023
Tuesday May 02, 2023

Tuesday Apr 25, 2023
Season 8 Outro: Scholarship and Research in Leadership Education
Tuesday Apr 25, 2023
Tuesday Apr 25, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren close the season by highlighting themes from scholarship editors, peer reviewers, and authors. The guests that led publications focused on creating environments where researchers could contribute and support the publications' missions. Researchers commented on developing an aligned agenda and growing scholarship based on personal interests and institutional and leadership education community needs.

Tuesday Apr 18, 2023
Tuesday Apr 18, 2023
In this episode, Dan and Lauren hear from ILA Leadership Scholarship Member Community Chair, Dr. Rich Whitney, and Past-Chair, Dr. Lori Kniffin. The global community leaders discuss the focus of the community and how members can contribute to the scholarship agenda within the association.
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